nouveau cultivar ( Aeonium)

Dear JM Moullec,
I've in preparation a new article about the new Aeonium's cultivars, some of it't from you collection, as A. ex burchardii called 'Roscoff' and the ssp. n. 2255 I just called it 'Kenavo' ....for you! For this plants you know the source or origin? or it's from a natural impollination from Roscoff's garden??
Others nice new Aeonium cvs. it's a A. nobile very cespitose....
Bonne Annee a tout!!
Giuseppe
Rome

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Dear Guiseppe
I haven't no source nor origine for these plants. The plants are in collection before my work in this garden.
The 2255 grow outdoor only in one spot.

Je continue en français. Si nécessaire, Jean-Marc traduira :
elle ne pousse qu'en un endroit à 3 mètres de haut sur un rocher de 18 m de haut, coté sud-ouest. Il n'y en avait aucun exemplaire en serre avant que je monte en décrocher un pour toi, Guiseppe. Il existe maintenant chez toi, dans les serres de Roscoff et sur le Rocher dont de nom est en breton Roc'h Hievec ( le rocher de Hievec). Il ne se ressème pas au contraire de Aeonium cuneatum. Je pense que c'est un hybride originaire de Roscoff. Comme nom pour cet hybride je préfère 'Hievec'.
A. ex xburchardii n°993 n'est pas cultivé depuis longtemps dehors (2 ans) puisque c'est moi qui l'ai planté. Avant il était en serre mais aussi sans origine.

Cher JMM!
merci beaucoup pour votre post, je comprende bien le francaias,
Je ne ecrive pas
I thank you for you additional note, I enclose it for the description...again for 2255 you know some comments about the flowers?
Today, I've receveid the Newsletter of Sedum Soc., I've see you article about XSedeveria 'Letizia'. (I know Lety!)
A bientot
Giuseppe

La plante sera bien un hybride du Aeonium simsii.
J'ai beaucoup de plantes comme ca.
Ici un couple de plantes de moi.

Dans le centre un Aeonium simsii, Les autres sont hybrides.
Le plante à gauche fleuri maintenant.

La plante de gauche semble être A. xbarbatum, un hybride de A. simsii. Guiseppe donnera plus d'informations.

Dear Bouke et JMM,
belle plantes! compliments!

-La plante sera bien un hybride du Aeonium simsii.
-J'ai beaucoup de plantes comme ca.
-Ici un couple de plantes de moi.

first of all, you plants it's from the same clone or two distinct? Yes, the two plants is from hybrid origin: more of it from garden as A. X hybridum (called x barbatum and x floribundum) it's small intermediarie of parents simsii and spathulatum, (you plant is large rosetts diametr + 10 cm), A. x velutinum is a large simsii (xcanariense) acaule...
I isn't sure for you plants, is possible it's natural hubrids from Gran Canaria of simsii X percarneum or simsii x manriequorum it's very similar and only a study is possible a correct classification...
Of course if you inform me about the habit adult plants, size of the rosetts, linear glands presents in two or one face of the leaves....it's possible I help you
Giuseppe


Dans le centre un Aeonium simsii, Les autres sont hybrides.
Le plante à gauche fleuri maintenant.



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Dear Bouke,

of course I sospect it's
A gauche cfr. A. x velutinum is a large simsii (xcanariense) acaule...
et a dorit cfr. A. simsii x manriequorum


- Le plante à gauche fleuri maintenant.
the plants no died?

Giuseppe

Dear Giuseppe,
I understand what you mean.
About the plant on the left.
At these Aeonium the head rosette and a number of the side rosettes flowering.
Probably I took this plant from Tenerife.
The A.simsii does not grow at Tenerife.
The plant could not be a naturehybrid of A.simsii.
Spathulatum is possible one of the parents.

The plant on the right is a nature hybrid from Gran Canaria and the head rosette does not flowering! This must be a simsii hybride, but the other parent?

All these hybrids have small dark lines to the undersite of the leaf.
I think they get these lines from simsii or spathulatum.

simsii and spathulatum have these lines on both sides of the leaf, and I saw on a picture from you that smithii has also these lines on both sides.
I see these small lines as very small windows on those plants.
Look at your picture from the smithii.


Cher Giuseppe,
Je comprends ce que voulez dire vous.
Au sujet de l'usine du côté gauche.
Aux ces Aeonium la rosette principale et un certain nombre de fleuraison latérale de rosettes.
J'ai pris probablement cette usine de Tenerife.
A.le simsii ne se développe pas chez Tenerife.
L'usine n'a pas pu être un naturehybrid de A.simsii.
Spathulatum est le possible des parents.
L'usine du côté droit est un hybride de nature de Gran Canaria et la rosette principale ne fleurissant pas ! Ceci doit être un hybride de simsii, mais l'autre parent ?
Tous ces hybrides ont de petites lignes foncées à l'undersite de la feuille.
Je pense qu'ils obtiennent ces lignes du simsii ou du spathulatum.
le simsii et le spathulatum ont ces lignes des deux côtés de la feuille, et j'ai vu sur une image de vous que le smithii a également ces lignes des deux côtés.
Je vois ces petites lignes en tant que fenêtres très petites sur ces usines.
Regardez votre image du smithii.


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Dear Bouke,

I understand what you mean.
About the plant on the left.
At these Aeonium the head rosette and a number of the side rosettes flowering. Probably I took this plant from Tenerife.
The A.simsii does not grow at Tenerife.
The plant could not be a naturehybrid of A.simsii.
Spathulatum is possible one of the parents.

A. simsii is endemic only of Gran Canaria; if you plants is from Tenerife
it's sure a A. spathulathum as one parent, the habit is similar like. the other parent I isn't sure (dodrentale, haworthii for the long leaves)....

The plant on the right is a nature hybrid from Gran Canaria and the head rosette does not flowering! This must be a simsii hybride, but the other parent?

A. simsii's habit like with manriequorum/percarneum large size leaves addition.
You've small plants of this two available for me? I'm available for exchange!

All these hybrids have small dark lines to the undersite of the leaf. I think they get these lines from simsii or spathulatum. simsii and spathulatum have these lines on both sides of the leaf, and I saw on a picture from you that smithii has also these lines on both sides. I see these small lines as very small windows on those plants. Look at your picture from the smithii.

All 3 species it's from a sezion:
simsii; spathulathum; smithii.
the lines as small windows as you called, is linear glands typical for this group of Aeonium.

All the best
Giuseppe

Dear Bouke,
please, you see the sezion of Aeonium genus:

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/kosmos/info/sistematica.htm

Giuseppe

Dear Giuseppe,

Thank you for your answer, I can use that information very well. :study: :study: :study:

I see also resemblances in the plants which have been classified in a certain section.
But why the Aeonium nobile in a separate section and not the Aeonium goochiae?

Of course you can get plants from me.

Cher Giuseppe,
Merci de votre réponse, Je peux employer cette information très bien.
Je vois également des ressemblances aux plantes qui ont été classifiées dans une certaine section.
Mais pourquoi l'Aeonium nobile dans une section séparée et pas le Aeonium goochiae ?
Naturellement vous pouvez obtenir des plantes de moi.

Dear Bouke!
merci beaucoup pour votre post.
Again, I thank you very much for you availability for offer me you plants! Of course, I'm happy for send you in change my plants... my private email is haworthii@libero.it
For my personal comment Aeonium is very like to A. gorgoneum/glutinosum for the colour flowers or very succulent leave's habit; Aeonium goochiae? it's distint, for my...
Best Wishes
Giuseppe